Lonestar
Egg & Chevy's friend
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 444
Location: Dallas Texas
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Posted: 7/6/2010 2:50:06 PM
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I think when the game comes out we are going to need two seperate divisions from the get go. Since there is no way to really know who is faster or slower etc, we may have to divide the divisions up at random.
Or we could do it by some sort of qualifying. Given we dont know exactly what the game will bring us we need to be prepared. We could take say 6 tracks at random, and take the total time to complete a lap at all 6 tracks.
We should be able to achieve this with our 32 person private lobbys. But then again, we dont know shit about the game yet.
For newcomers joining LR, we could have a third setup for them to join in late and at least having something to compete in until the first race series is complete.
Another option is to do the bracket racing. This should not be a problem since we should have the ability to get a true qualifying time in that everyone shall be able to see. I assume we will be able to setup a private practice session or time trial to achieve this though.
Please throw out all suggestions or problems that you can see as we need to examine all possibilities leading up to the release.
This should be an ongoing discussion that EVERYONE should participate in. If you dont offer your ideas, then dont bitch when the game comes out.
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LR-SWD-daus26
Shadow Drift Manager
Join Date: 12/24/2009
Posts: 99
Location: Marysville, WA
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Posted: 7/7/2010 2:42:07 AM
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I'm not sure what is being discussed here exactly. I may get the gist of it, but I'm not sure.
Anyhow, we need to know a solid knowledge of the members we'll be having when the game releases first, because right now, there's only a few.
Other than that, if the past members from the old site will be active when the game comes out, we know at least how fast/competitive they are and we can then use the old division sets as preference. It's not like we never had divisions before.
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LR-WWR-Nuich
LRL Admin Dude
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 206
Location: Texas
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Posted: 7/7/2010 4:15:37 AM
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well the first break up will be between drivers that use aids and the ones that don't. There are plenty of guys out there that have to use traction control, or ABS. which is fine nothing wrong with that, but there are also a group out there that wants the challenge of controlling all of the car.
so from the past that right there breaks the group in half without having skill level divisions.
next we just need to know the max number of drivers a race can hold without lag. (i am shooting for 12-14) which means we can set the racing field at 12 (qualify to make the 12) and set a series memebership to 16 (4 drivers won't make the field).
there are plenty of ideas i got but typing them all out would be a chore, will need to have another vent night
K-Thanks,
LR-WWR-Nuich
"If wishes were horses, we would all be eating steak." - a man named Jayne.
"It's depressing knowing your odds against the ignorant" - CS
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LR-PR-Diesel
Personal Relations Admin
Join Date: 12/23/2009
Posts: 126
Location: Texas
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Posted: 7/7/2010 5:23:52 AM
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Quote: Quoted From Lonestar:
I think when the game comes out we are going to need two seperate divisions from the get go. Since there is no way to really know who is faster or slower etc, we may have to divide the divisions up at random.
Or we could do it by some sort of qualifying. Given we dont know exactly what the game will bring us we need to be prepared. We could take say 6 tracks at random, and take the total time to complete a lap at all 6 tracks.
We should be able to achieve this with our 32 person private lobbys. But then again, we dont know shit about the game yet.
For newcomers joining LR, we could have a third setup for them to join in late and at least having something to compete in until the first race series is complete.
Another option is to do the bracket racing. This should not be a problem since we should have the ability to get a true qualifying time in that everyone shall be able to see. I assume we will be able to setup a private practice session or time trial to achieve this though.
Please throw out all suggestions or problems that you can see as we need to examine all possibilities leading up to the release.
This should be an ongoing discussion that EVERYONE should participate in. If you dont offer your ideas, then dont bitch when the game comes out.
I think the problem is you typing =P
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LR-WWR-Nuich
LRL Admin Dude
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 206
Location: Texas
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Posted: 7/7/2010 5:47:05 AM
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my typing was horrible this morning, too. I was trying to get a few things done before work got the flash on the home page working. :-)
K-Thanks,
LR-WWR-Nuich
"If wishes were horses, we would all be eating steak." - a man named Jayne.
"It's depressing knowing your odds against the ignorant" - CS
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Cache
Ya, I'm still here.
Join Date: 12/26/2009
Posts: 116
Location: Candia, NH
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Gun_Doc
Sophmore
Join Date: 6/22/2010
Posts: 17
Location: Missouri
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Posted: 7/7/2010 10:35:47 AM
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I like the idea of having different divisions and I'm fine with waiting until the first season is over so you all can get all the kinks worked out.
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LR-JLBowler
Sophmore
Join Date: 12/23/2009
Posts: 45
Location: Chowchilla CA
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Posted: 7/7/2010 11:14:30 AM
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I think some kind of ongoing rating system should be implemented. I also don't think that divisions would be necessary for the entirety of a series. If the rooms are going to be capped at 32 and the races at 16 we should be able to have an event with up to 32 racers. Start with a qualifying session and then set the fields based on time. If there were 32 racers then there would be three races with 11, 11, and 10 in each one. Points would be paid to each position 1 through 32 with bonus points offered for a podium finish in each race. If there are more then 32 racers then we start in two rooms and go from there.
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LR-WWR-Lex999
student driver
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 70
Location: Connecticut
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Posted: 7/7/2010 1:23:02 PM
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Multiple divisions racing at the same time in different cars with a speed discrepancy with 50 lap races so traffic becomes a factor
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LR-CR-Tripower
Forever Legit
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 622
Location: Greater Philadelphia Area
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Posted: 7/7/2010 2:25:37 PM
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Quote: Quoted From LR-JLBowler:
I think some kind of ongoing rating system should be implemented. I also don't think that divisions would be necessary for the entirety of a series. If the rooms are going to be capped at 32 and the races at 16 we should be able to have an event with up to 32 racers. Start with a qualifying session and then set the fields based on time. If there were 32 racers then there would be three races with 11, 11, and 10 in each one. Points would be paid to each position 1 through 32 with bonus points offered for a podium finish in each race. If there are more then 32 racers then we start in two rooms and go from there.
We won't get to match 32 racers in a single race, if that's what you mean. If you mean 32 people into a room, 11 race while 21 sit and watch, I don't like it.
When we did the bracket racing, people who didn't have to run the last chance race had to sit out. It led to more confusion.
I hate to say it, but unless there is some brainstorm of an idea, divisions work best. The problem with divisions is driver placement. Everybody wants an opportunity to win so they would rate themselves into a lower division given the chance. People's talent levels change over time and a driver who started in Div. 3 might need to be moved to Div. 2. Track selection has alot to do with how fast someone is. Put me on HSR, and I can compete with most drivers here, but put me at Suzuka and I suck.
We also need to keep in mind that whatever we do, it needs to be simple enough so that any team member can run an event in case there is no admin present. Crazy spread sheets and complicated formulas to figure out who races who is the wrong way to go (no offense to Bowler and his spreadsheet! ;) )
When its all said and done, there is no one solution that will make everyone happy.
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LR-WWR-Nuich
LRL Admin Dude
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 206
Location: Texas
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Posted: 7/7/2010 2:37:43 PM
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yes there is and i will find it! or the league officials will dictate it. plus there is no reason not to hold one off events or other short series either.
I am all for a 26 bi-weekly race series where only 12-16 drivers (depending on how many you can fit in a room) can race. You can have 30 ppl sign up for that series but only that set number can race. there is no handi-cap, and the rules are simple no aids, and regulated vehicles.
if you want to be part of that series great if not sign up for a different one.
but that won't be the only series, there will be one with aids allowed. or with NASCAR only, or F1 only.
There will be quite a few concurrent series running that everyone should be able to race at some point in something.
and hell i don't even want to race F1 but i wouldn't mind getting in to chear my team on and just watching the race.
F1, NASCAR, WRC, Drift are things i most likely won't participate in. Super GT, GT is where i like to be.
Although would like to be a judge in drifting events. :-)
K-Thanks,
LR-WWR-Nuich
"If wishes were horses, we would all be eating steak." - a man named Jayne.
"It's depressing knowing your odds against the ignorant" - CS
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LR-CR-Tripower
Forever Legit
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 622
Location: Greater Philadelphia Area
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Posted: 7/7/2010 3:15:08 PM
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I agree with most everything you said. The problems will arise when more then 16 people want to participate in a particular event, just as it has always been. We will have a ton of other stuff for people to race in, but the hurdle is allowing everyone to race in the same series and compete for the same points without being able to physically race eachother on the track. If we can figure out how to do that without making it so complicated that only Bowler can figure it out, we're set. The bracket style racing accomplishes that, but in my mind too many things change from race to race. "Winner of heat 1A competes with winner of heat 3B. Winner of heat 2D competes with winner of heat 1G......." This method sucks and takes all the fun out of it, for me at least. There has to be a simpler way that anyone can understand, even total idiots like me.
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Lonestar
Egg & Chevy's friend
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 444
Location: Dallas Texas
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Posted: 7/7/2010 3:55:14 PM
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Bracket racing will work light years better than it has before with private rooms.
On another note, Nuich, why do you feel so strongly about leaving people out of a race. When we have the capability to run 16 in a private room. We could set each weeks fields by qualifying. if there was 24 people who qualified, set 12 in one room and 12 in the other. That way if you won the second division u only get 12th place points. Alot of the ideas we have tried in the past are going to work with private rooms.(and a real qualifying mode).
Aids or no aids i want to race in the top division or Drivers division. When the other series was set to aids and no aids most people running without abs did so because of the prestige of being running in the "top division" Thats why it ended up being two people in my division and we eventually just quit it. We have worked too hard keeping people involved racing here through the staleness of the game for our membership to go to shit.
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Lonestar
Egg & Chevy's friend
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 444
Location: Dallas Texas
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LR-JLBowler
Sophmore
Join Date: 12/23/2009
Posts: 45
Location: Chowchilla CA
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Posted: 7/7/2010 4:54:39 PM
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A working qualifying mode is the key to all of this. It would take the heat racing and transfer maps out of the bracket racing. One shot to qualify (even if it takes multiple rooms) and then you're put into a room based on where you qualified. The only waiting would be during qualifying. Once everyone is qualified then you go race. It would allow everyone to compete for one championship and have one points total. If there are 24 guys then we have two races of 12. The guys in the second bottom 12 are racing for 13th place (bonus points for winning would be optional, this would also take some of the emphasis off of qualifying). Private rooms will make any moving that we have to do much easier then we are dealing with at this time.
Tripower- The problem with putting a group of guys in a division for 8 or 10 races is that when half the division doesn't show up for whatever reason the racing goes to shit. Whatever system is implemented, it has to be flexible on a week to week basis.
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Lonestar
Egg & Chevy's friend
Join Date: 12/22/2009
Posts: 444
Location: Dallas Texas
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Posted: 7/7/2010 5:00:49 PM
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Quote: Quoted From LR-JLBowler:
A working qualifying mode is the key to all of this. It would take the heat racing and transfer maps out of the bracket racing. One shot to qualify (even if it takes multiple rooms) and then you're put into a room based on where you qualified. The only waiting would be during qualifying. Once everyone is qualified then you go race. It would allow everyone to compete for one championship and have one points total. If there are 24 guys then we have two races of 12. The guys in the second bottom 12 are racing for 13th place (bonus points for winning would be optional, this would also take some of the emphasis off of qualifying). Private rooms will make any moving that we have to do much easier then we are dealing with at this time.
Tripower- The problem with putting a group of guys in a division for 8 or 10 races is that when half the division doesn't show up for whatever reason the racing goes to shit. Whatever system is implemented, it has to be flexible on a week to week basis.
Agreed Bowler. I feel this is the way to run the events. Its like bracket racing without the heats. One leaderboard. Divisions change every week.
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